This week in the meetup: Sprint, Kaidan, MUC...
Change of plans: We will talk about a planned XMPP sprint next year in Berlin, probably about Kaidan on Purism Librem 5, and maybe about MUCs and why they need to be replaced by something better. Let's see.
When? Wednesday, 2019-10-09 18:00 CEST (always 2ⁿᵈ Wednesday of every month)
Where?xHain hack+makespace, Grünberger Str. 16, 10243 Berlin (as always)
The original topic aenigma - the XMPP server for everyone is postponed to the next month, i.e. 2019-11-13, same time, same place.
Nicolas North of openspace, a hackerspace in Milano, Italy, will present aenigma, the | state-of-the-art | secure-by-default | one-touch-deployed | XMPP server for everyone.
See you then!
Or join our non-physical room!
This month we will listen to a talk about an competitor of XMPP in the IM world, DeltaChat. It's based on Email, which means practically everybody already has an account. It uses Autocrypt for E2EE. Which are the pros and cons compared to XMPP?
When? Wednesday, 2019-08-14 18:00 CEST
See you then!
Kaidan: Neuigkeiten Juli 2019
Es werden zwei Entwickler des XMPP-Clients Kaidan (https://kaidan.im) über dessen Neuerungen berichten.
Sie werden weiter daran arbeiten, mit Kaidan einen benutzerfreundlichen XMPP-Client für alle gängigen Betriebssysteme zu bieten. Kaidan läuft unter Linux, Android, Windows, macOS und iOS.
Wer also Lust hat, von einem Client zu erfahren, der das Ziel hat, neue Maßstäbe in Sachen Usability, Privacy und Performance zu setzen, ist herzlich eingeladen. Wir freuen uns auf Euch!
Wann? Mittwoch, 2019-07-10 18:00 CEST
XMPP and Ice Cream!
Because we have no talk this time, and the 500. birthday of Cosimo I. de’ Medici is not a nice thing to celebrate, we just talk about whatever we like and eat ice cream. Interested in XMPP and ice cream? Just drop in!
When? Tomorrow, 2019-06-12 18:00 CEST
Kurz und gut wird erklärt, warum Federation auch bei Messengern sinnvoll und notwendig ist. Endlich wird auch die Politik aktiv, z.B. Katarina Barley (SPD) und Ursula Heinen-Esser (CDU).
(also posted in diaspora here)
I've been looking into it, and found some cool vids!
I worry about the #copyright infringements there, and hope it never gets attacked by companies claiming stupid copyright infringements like they do at Youtube, because it would be such a mess...
Anyway, ethicalities first:
I very much appreciate that people are uploading talks, music and short projects such as animations, dance videos, music, etc. But I can never be sure if these videos are indeed theirs, and I'd like to find people's #owncontent, to find what people can really do "no attachments to companies and capitalism". That is my interest and view, of course.
- Problem is if those who own everything of the content explicity say they own, and it becomes a "code" to say so, well, copyright infringements can be carried with much more ease, and that actually pressures the whole community to a single objective, which is to own all content. And, knowing the so-called system, once all are prosecuted, they will find tinier and tinier details to prosecute and fuck people over. So users and servers should agree what they want for their uploads, and that influences directly into federation policies (as in "agreements", agreeing with each other, not documentation). So the legal aspect of it must be discussed pronto, to preserve uploaders and servers around the world.
On further notes, I acknowledge there are much discussion about #copyleft, #mashup, remix, "I bought this Vinyl I am playing", "all property is theft" but we are not quite there yet. I believe we should find commonground to survive company harassment and build the new until #freedom is at hands finally.
If they agree on mixing copyrighted material and people uploading their own content, I'd personally like to join servers that doesn't (or make my own). Which brings the question: If I upload my music to server
Xis federated, how people at
Ywill know I own this content? If they can't, should
Ystop federation with
Zdoesn't care for copyrighted material, could
Ystop federation with
Zand be accused of censorship of people that posts their own content to
If it comes to a separation of owned-content only servers, will users who own their content feel personally damaged because they uploaded their content to
Z, and now aren't being viewed by
Y? And if this separation is done, does that make it easy for companies to shut down the other servers, thus undermining the more than 300 servers out there? Should I talk to a therapist to treat my rambling and pedantism? (joke's on you, I already do)
- I've been surfing a little on some servers, and picked some videos to search on other servers, to test #federation, and I can atest that not every server is federated. I'm not nitpicking of course, I tested it throughly. Is there any servers you recommend? Also, is it a project at all to federate every server?
- Countries and language: I'd love to see closed captions soon! I'd suggest a feature to tag by country or language or none if the uploader chooses so. Maybe it could be a practice to tag it, though it is a work-around.
I'd love to discuss and talk about it further! That said, I leave a video that I found today, enjoy!
XMPP a.k.a. Jabber, a communication protocol for message-oriented middleware is probably the most mature technology for free and federated instant messaging. (IRC is far older, of course.) On 2019-01-04 we can celebrate the 20th anniversary of the first XMPP server release:
In the last twenty years, we have seen protocols and services come and go, but XMPP, an IETF standard, is here to stay. It is backed by an international community of developers, does not depend on a single company, and is enhanced continuously by the XSF. Btw.: XMPP is not only used for chatting, but also for IoT, WebRTC, micro-blogging and social networks!
PS: Ge0rG pointed to the link to the original announcement on Slashdot. It reads: