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    The XMPP meetup for everyone

    debacle – pubsub.movim.eu / berlin-xmpp-meetup – Saturday, 28 September - 11:44 edit

This week in the meetup: Sprint, Kaidan, MUC...

Change of plans: We will talk about a planned XMPP sprint next year in Berlin, probably about Kaidan on Purism Librem 5, and maybe about MUCs and why they need to be replaced by something better. Let's see.

When? Wednesday, 2019-10-09 18:00 CEST (always 2ⁿᵈ Wednesday of every month)

Where?xHain hack+makespace, Grünberger Str. 16, 10243 Berlin (as always)

The original topic aenigma - the XMPP server for everyone is postponed to the next month, i.e. 2019-11-13, same time, same place.

Nicolas North of openspace, a hackerspace in Milano, Italy, will present aenigma, the | state-of-the-art | secure-by-default | one-touch-deployed | XMPP server for everyone.

See you then!

Or join our non-physical room!

#berlin #xmpp #meetup #community #xhain #federation #chat #freesoftware #ænigma #aenigma #selfhosting #security #privacy #anonymity #openspace #sprint #kaidan #librem5 #muc

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    # Language Acquisition with XMPP -- Research Proposal in Progress

    This year we will submit a research proposal to the German Research Foundation (DFG) including an XMPP based architecture. In the proposal we sketch a language learning app which makes video content accessible for language learning via semantic enrichment. We present our proposal at the XMPP meetup.

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    DeltaChat - cooler than XMPP?

    debacle – pubsub.movim.eu / berlin-xmpp-meetup – Thursday, 8 August - 22:26

This month we will listen to a talk about an competitor of XMPP in the IM world, DeltaChat. It's based on Email, which means practically everybody already has an account. It uses Autocrypt for E2EE. Which are the pros and cons compared to XMPP?

When? Wednesday, 2019-08-14 18:00 CEST

Where?xHain hack+makespace, Grünberger Str. 16, 10243 Berlin

See you then!

#berlin #xmpp #meetup #community #federation #deltachat #email #chat #freesoftware #autocrypt

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    Kaidan: Neuigkeiten Juli 2019

    debacle – pubsub.movim.eu / berlin-xmpp-meetup – Sunday, 7 July - 17:37

Kaidan: Neuigkeiten Juli 2019

Es werden zwei Entwickler des XMPP-Clients Kaidan (https://kaidan.im) über dessen Neuerungen berichten.

Sie werden weiter daran arbeiten, mit Kaidan einen benutzerfreundlichen XMPP-Client für alle gängigen Betriebssysteme zu bieten. Kaidan läuft unter Linux, Android, Windows, macOS und iOS.

Wer also Lust hat, von einem Client zu erfahren, der das Ziel hat, neue Maßstäbe in Sachen Usability, Privacy und Performance zu setzen, ist herzlich eingeladen. Wir freuen uns auf Euch!

Wann? Mittwoch, 2019-07-10 18:00 CEST

Wo?xHain hack+makespace, Grünberger Str. 16, 10243 Berlin

#berlin #xmpp #meetup #community #federation #kaidan #chat #freesoftware #android #linux #ios #macos #windows #qt

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    XMPP and Ice Cream!

    debacle – pubsub.movim.eu / berlin-xmpp-meetup – Tuesday, 11 June - 17:40

XMPP and Ice Cream!

Because we have no talk this time, and the 500. birthday of Cosimo I. de’ Medici is not a nice thing to celebrate, we just talk about whatever we like and eat ice cream. Interested in XMPP and ice cream? Just drop in!

When? Tomorrow, 2019-06-12 18:00 CEST

Where?xHain hack+makespace, Grünberger Str. 14, 10243 Berlin

#berlin #xmpp #meetup #community #federation #icecream

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    Ice cream and only one HEAVY BLACK HEART? What's wrong with this weird world?

(also posted in diaspora here)

I've been looking into it, and found some cool vids!

I worry about the #copyright infringements there, and hope it never gets attacked by companies claiming stupid copyright infringements like they do at Youtube, because it would be such a mess...


Anyway, ethicalities first:

I very much appreciate that people are uploading talks, music and short projects such as animations, dance videos, music, etc. But I can never be sure if these videos are indeed theirs, and I'd like to find people's #owncontent, to find what people can really do "no attachments to companies and capitalism". That is my interest and view, of course.

  • Problem is if those who own everything of the content explicity say they own, and it becomes a "code" to say so, well, copyright infringements can be carried with much more ease, and that actually pressures the whole community to a single objective, which is to own all content. And, knowing the so-called system, once all are prosecuted, they will find tinier and tinier details to prosecute and fuck people over. So users and servers should agree what they want for their uploads, and that influences directly into federation policies (as in "agreements", agreeing with each other, not documentation). So the legal aspect of it must be discussed pronto, to preserve uploaders and servers around the world.

On further notes, I acknowledge there are much discussion about #copyleft, #mashup, remix, "I bought this Vinyl I am playing", "all property is theft" but we are not quite there yet. I believe we should find commonground to survive company harassment and build the new until #freedom is at hands finally.

  • If they agree on mixing copyrighted material and people uploading their own content, I'd personally like to join servers that doesn't (or make my own). Which brings the question: If I upload my music to server X, and X is federated, how people at Y will know I own this content? If they can't, should Y stop federation with X altogether? If Z doesn't care for copyrighted material, could X and Y stop federation with Z and be accused of censorship of people that posts their own content to Z?

    If it comes to a separation of owned-content only servers, will users who own their content feel personally damaged because they uploaded their content to Z, and now aren't being viewed by X and Y? And if this separation is done, does that make it easy for companies to shut down the other servers, thus undermining the more than 300 servers out there? Should I talk to a therapist to treat my rambling and pedantism? (joke's on you, I already do)


Technicalities now:

  • I've been surfing a little on some servers, and picked some videos to search on other servers, to test #federation, and I can atest that not every server is federated. I'm not nitpicking of course, I tested it throughly. Is there any servers you recommend? Also, is it a project at all to federate every server?
  • Countries and language: I'd love to see closed captions soon! I'd suggest a feature to tag by country or language or none if the uploader chooses so. Maybe it could be a practice to tag it, though it is a work-around.

I'd love to discuss and talk about it further! That said, I leave a video that I found today, enjoy!

https://video.selea.se/videos/watch/70afd9e2-5018-4313-9722-9353ab188789

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  • 3 March, 2019 ericbuijs

    The current web is an awesome copying machine. Every html link enables a user to drag content in his or her PC and this instantly creates a copy. I guess during the conception of the web Tim Berners Lee never considered the effect of his invention on copyright.

    Now the're two possibilities. Either 'we' change our ideas on copyright and ownership or 'we' change the web. Unfortunately currently governments such as the EU chooses the latter which such draconian legislation (e.g. Article 13) influenced by copyright lobbyist that the whole web as we know it will be destroyed. Let's hope that a third way acceptable for both creators and users is introduced before it is to late.

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    Happy Birthday, XMPP! 20th Anniversary of 1st Jabber Server

    debacle – Thursday, 3 January, 2019 - 21:37 edit

XMPP a.k.a. Jabber, a communication protocol for message-oriented middleware is probably the most mature technology for free and federated instant messaging. (IRC is far older, of course.) On 2019-01-04 we can celebrate the 20th anniversary of the first XMPP server release:

Jeremie Miller began working on the Jabber technology in 1998 and released the first version of the jabberd server on January 4, 1999.

In the last twenty years, we have seen protocols and services come and go, but XMPP, an IETF standard, is here to stay. It is backed by an international community of developers, does not depend on a single company, and is enhanced continuously by the XSF. Btw.: XMPP is not only used for chatting, but also for IoT, WebRTC, micro-blogging and social networks!

#xmpp #jabber #birthday #anniversary #jeremiemiller #federation

PS: ‎Ge0rG‎ pointed to the link to the original announcement on Slashdot. It reads:

Jeremie writes

"Jabber is a new project I recently started to create a complete open-source platform for Instant Messaging with transparent communication to other IM systems(ICQ, AIM, etc). Most of the initial design and protocol work is done, as well as a working server and a few test clients."

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